Hot n high, maybe i'm reading your last post wrongly but agreed perfectly with you right up to the last sentence when you seemed to be apologising ('I'm with MU300A and PTH i'm afraid'!) A proper stall/incipient stall recovery flown with negligible height loss AND PROPER TECHNIQUE will win the day! It has degenerated into a bit of a row over correct rudder use (but nevertheless obviously needs to be said!) but the fact remains had they reacted correctly to the shaker scenario, maybe losing a little height then they would have lived to fly another day. Why the concern, at 2300', about height loss in a stick shaker recovery? Am I missing something or do pilots here really think that they don't have the room to recover at the platform altitude?