What a useless debate. Fascists on one side that would make the worst dictator proud and the other view which is totally rejected by above. Each side can say what they like and they will never convince anyone but themselves what they are rambling on about. What has this to do with aviation apart from extremists being able to see their names on the screen. Like the 89 debate no matter how many words are poured onto the screen nothing will ever convince the opposing view of changing.