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Old 8th May 2009, 17:59
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That is quite incredible. This is a radar control environment. London Control are supposed to know about notams etc. IFR traffic in CAS is not responsible for avoiding danger areas and 99% of pilots in that airspace would know nothing about them.
Incredible ?? So is that !!

Pilots flying in CAS are NOT exempt from checking NOTAMs and knowing about things which will affect their flight. Nor are they exempt from their responsibilities in avoiding any restrictions or hazards simply because they are expecting ATC to do it all for them.

ATC providing a service to aircraft in CAS will 99.99% of the time point out any hazards which they think the pilot is not going to take account of. But if they have not placed the pilot on a vector to take them in to the hazard airspace yet the aircraft appears to be going to (or actually does) infringe that airspace, whose fault is that, if not the pilots ?

There are only 2 circumstances I can think of where this could possibly occur.

1. The pilot allows his aircraft to leave CAS due to poor navigation (or some other circumstance such as weather) and enters a Danger Area which abuts or is very close to the CAS boundary.

2. The pilot files along a route which is available at the planned time the aircraft will transit the airspace but then delays the flight, taking no account of the fact that the airspace is now not available. This happens not infrequently to aircraft using Conditional Routes which transit Managed Danger Areas (in the North Sea for example). Most of these are caught quickly when telling the pilot his routeing on first contact (and receiving the puzzled silence of an inadequately briefed pilot), and then passing it to him again and explaining why he can't fly on his filed route.

It is hard to think of another example where the filed route goes through a Danger Area, or where ATC would be vectoring you in CAS where there is also a Danger Area ... unless englishal can elaborate
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