mauswara we were doing Norfolk for years before you guys started so we are very familiar with the wx conditions and you will see our diversion record was less than one per year, and all prior to GPS approaches. I wish you OJ guys well but don't expect us to be too sad as we didn't get much sympathy from the OJ group when we were struggling to regroup after losing VH-RON, just a backdoor job on us. Some call it Karma but I sincerely wish you guys a great future and hope things go well in the west unless you are one of the many applicants we have had from OJ. After all it is usually the pilot group who suffer for the wrongs of their management so we should not blame each other but instead apportion blame where it belongs