Very sad to see this thread being completely dominated by Dragon 69, N1 vibes and Busbert. You've made your points guys in page after page of unbridled venom.
Can I suggest that you move on with your respective lives having denegrated others who should be regarded at least as 'brothers in arms' - if not friends and colleagues.
Day after day and page after page. Enough guys. We get the point.
To those onlookers wondering what on earth this is all about please believe me that this dialogue (trialogue?) is not in any way typical of the relationships existing between pilots and engineers.