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Old 18th April 2009 | 02:17
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Cloud Basher
 
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I find it amusing that spin training creates such angst amongst pilots. It is simply another maneuvre which is eminently controllable and part of the flight envelope - on approved aircraft (however even aircraft that aren't approved for intentional spins, have had to have been spun during certifcation - I think recovery from a two or three turn spin IIRC with various control inputs - someone will know...)

Anyway as has been shown here, and as was stated a couple of pages back, spinning is a pschological thing. People mentioned students get scared so we shouldn't do them. We are only scared in life because of two things, firstly we don't understand something and secondly we don't know what to do about it. Spin training rectifies these things. Some people may not like it, but at least with proper training they will know they can get out of it and recover easily.

To me it is very very simple. Can an aircraft stall? Yes. Can and aircraft spin? Yes. Therefore as pilots its behoves us and those we fly with to know what to do if it happens. The argument about base to final turns and where in the flight envelope it may or may not occur is irrelevant. If an aircraft is capable of it then we need to know how to deal with it. We learn how to deal with every other type of emergency so why not inadvertent spins?

Bose, I agree, they won't be put back into the syllabus and I do take your point about experience levels, however the school I fly at, teaches in Citabrias and includes stalls and fulls spins in their training as well as basic aerobatics / unusual attitude recovery. They have one of the best reputations in Australia for turning out pilots who can actually fly an aircraft within its full flight envelope

My point here is just because the minimum standard says level X is acceptable, does not mean instructors and schools can't teach to a higher level Y. It comes down to personal standards and not just accepting the mediocre (again a psychological thing).

My final point is that it is the initial instructors that a student has, that really defines the standards that a student will set for themselves. So if level X is acceptable and we only need to do the minimum, and this is what the school supports and does not push the student to a higher standard, then level X is all we can expect. I take exception to you stating that students can't handle the extra work of learning spins. From what I have seen and experienced at this school, that is absolute hogwash, a student will do whatever you teach them to do.

Just my two cents.

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