https://www.balpa.org/RyanairPetition.aspx
What a load of drivel. Creative writing might be your strong suit but a realisation of reality you are quite obviously devoid of while lacking any sort of common sense. Leo the thespian in you is taking control of your thumbs. Calm down.
I call it consensual rape. But eh, don't rocka da boat.
Don't go over the top there old boy will you? I think you were previously deriding a previous poster about mentioning the Third Reich weren't you?
So, Ryanair have been elevated to the equivalence in evil of the Third Reich? Just how stupid do you think we are?
Just how stupid do you think we are? Apples and pears there I think.
When did I mention that BALPA is the cure to all diseases or
the answer to every maiden's prayer at Ryanair
Nowhere did I say that. Quite a contemptible attempt to miss represents the facts as usual from your good hearted self.
Need I remind you that I actually DO work for RYR, whereas you, clearly, do not
Yes I know you are a Brookfield worker for RYR. You adequately stated that in this forum. I though do not need or desire the self reassurance to "OUT" myself in a public forum or to RYR management to try and obtain favours. This though does not mean you are talking for the common pilot in RYR. You are so far from the truth in this forum in what you talk about RYR. Have you had the decency to put your cadet up in Chai Leo when he was sleeping in the terminal with no money to afford a roof over his head for his 5 days flying in HHN? Next week CIA at his cost with no pay earned but at least RYR gets to rewrite the moral rule book on how staff should be treated. No risk to PAX there when that well rested FO straps on that new 737 and the LTC takes a turn for the worse?
RYR is where it is because of its prime order of Boeings at bargain basement prices with limited liability lease back. Royal Bank of Scotland being one of the donkeys stumping up the money and we now know where RBS is on the long term strategic outlook of banks and financial institutions. Not to add to the very efficient and aggressive service and airport contracts negotiated. I have no problem with that side of the model but let’s not beat around the bush to how and why RYR has obtained its market position. I can't really see you beating round that bush though can I?
Treating employees with Dignity and Respect costs very little. I even think employees is a step to far because the way things are heading in RYR most pilots will be on temporary unsecured contracts if any contract at all.
BALPA is run by pilots for pilots. It is something that you seem not to grasp. I am sure if you where a member Leo an invite would be put out to you to go along and observe a public meeting of the NEC (National Executive Council) which is the leading body of BALPA which is a democratically elected body of pilots which represents pilots interests in the UK, Europe and Internationally. If you disbelieve my statement that T+C's are less in RYR compared to comparative companies give BALPA a call and I am sure the professional staff there would be happy to furnish you with written proof in terms of bench marking against other airlines in the UK. Go on old boy give them a call.
In the entire, unhappy history of pilot industrial relations
This is the point. Why do industrial relations have to be unhappy? If there was an open negotiation process things would not be unhappy. It takes a small amount of effort on both parties to come and try and achieve open and fair negotiations. Are RYR pilots or management happy with the present system of pilots and ERC's being threatened with sanctions from management with no collective or respectful bargaining? Management is the happier.
In case of the first, despite repeated instructions concerning stabilised approaches, endless on-message presentations and recurrent training ad nauseum, there were still a significant few who descended below our 'gates' not stabilised by our definition. Since the Chief Executive's memo, though, there hasn't been a single one. NOT ONE. Effective flight safety enhancement, perhaps?
Again I think you will find that there have been a number of un-stabilised approaches since the memo in question. Please read memos 01/12/2008 and 22/01/2009. The simple truth is you do need have serious discussions with your crew about these problems. This though should be from the Chief Pilot or Training/Safety office as already stated without implied threats on crew’s employment.
As I said previously;
I think it would be right to say because of the punitive type nature that the company management posses against it pilots it can lead to pilots being less open to report safety related incidents in fear of punitive action taken against themselves
Your answer is bs? Do you find that to be of an adequate standard of answer to quite a troubling safety implication? As long as Leo is happy we all must be ok as he talks for all RYR pilots don't you know?
There you go with those 'opinions' again. Now I know you've never worked for us. This, demonstrably, DOES NOT HAPPEN. No one is denied due process. Surely even you wouldn't deny that occasions of repeated intentional non-compliance need to be addressed by sterner medicine than a slap on the wrist?
Can you honestly say that does not happen in RYR Leo? Honestly hand on heart that you have never been involved in a situation or incident were you as the Commander have not had your decision making questioned which you felt as the PIC that you were taking the safest cause of action but various individuals did not. Reasons mainly because of the impact on the company in a public forum and possible public debate about yours or other pilots actions? That’s quite obviously how a company backs its staff.
Doesn't matter if you were right or wrong does it really? Just that people who should have stood by you didn't.
Besides, we have 400 new aircraft to buy in order to facilitate future growth and employment of pilots
400 new aircraft that Airbus at the moment will not tender for because of their distrust for RYR management tactics. Wow even an aircraft manufacturer in a recession is currently refusing to play ball with RYR management.
Employment of pilots. RYR could hire 10,000 pilots because if they where on a temporary Brookfield worker contract and doing 5 hrs a month it wouldn't matter to RYR. Simply because when you are on the worker contract you only get paid for scheduled flying hours flown. That’s it, nothing more than what you fly. So it doesn't really matter if you have 8000 people on standby because they are not getting paid a penny. Never mind the consequences to your finances or family if you go ill and can't fly for a prolonged period of time. That’s not employment in any sense of the word Leo. You are also not in employment Leo because you are not an Employee. You do not posses any of the rights of an Employee. Something again you fail to grasp. So these extra pilots that RYR will recruit with expansion will not be in employment simply put.
union infested, commercially failing, upper middle class, ex RAF dingbats where time to command is over 10 years at present. Mmmmmm, yummy.
As opposed to upper middle class thespians types like you Leo? Sorry that argument doesn't fly either.
Ryanair is one of the few great success stories in European, and shortly, world aviation and the one conspicuous aspect of our development, the one that kinda jumps at you right off the page, is the total absence of pilot unions. Coincidence, you think? We employ 2500 pilots, the vast majority of whom are more than happy with Ryanair T's&C's, and view your scurrilous attempts at making it in through the back door yet again, after being repeatedly told we don't want you, as what happens in a successful environment that lacks ready access to rat poison. How many votes will it take until you vanish back under the rock from which you emerge?
Success stories as opposed to Easyjet or FlyBe? hmm What about Southwest? hmm I don't think that argument even works because there is precedent is there not to the contrary. What was it you said? “Precedent is a pain in the arse”. Your sure right it is Leo!
RYR is successful due to its stunning aircraft order and ability to lease back the aircraft at favourable prices during the late 90's and through to 2008. The problem that RYR might find in the future is the ability to achieve that amount and context of financing in the current credit crunch. I'm sure HMG or the World Bank could lend a hand though.
We being Ryanair do not employ 2500 pilots because of reasons previously discussed to do with contract status etc
Here is the use of the all too prevalent pronoun "we" in Leo's arguments. Were in fact he should be stating the adjective "wee" as in small minority. You do not speak for all RYR pilots in whatever capacity and you are not a true litmus test as to the strength in feeling in the RYR pilot community. If pilots in RYR desire a voice it is up to them to achieve it by simply filling in the petition at:
https://www.balpa.org/RyanairPetition.aspx
Lastly Leo's egocentric tirade suits nobody but RYR management purposes. Unfortunately for him he has no facts, no valid arguments and a conviction which will not lead to professional pilots preserving the long term T+C's for this great industry or profession. Just lots of blustery and sunder. Shame on you. You answer nothing of valid points to you or how you would hope to better the long terms T+C's for pilots. Shame on you for playing to RYR managements fiddle. Shame on you for thinking that RYR pilots can not decide for themselves what they want for a Decent Respectful future.
Ryanair pilots you have the opportunity for fair open negotiations with reference to T+C's and beyond without the need of management threats. This chance is at:
https://www.balpa.org/RyanairPetition.aspx