https://www.balpa.org/RyanairPetition.aspx
Rubik I totally agree with your last post. There is always difficulty in organising such a campaign and nobody has denied this. But I think pilots have the will and desire to achieve such a goal if it is done honestly and sensibly by the pilots and BALPA and IALPA.
I also agree that Leo sees himself as having worked for someone else, that he is the ultimate authority on what is a good airline and what is bad. The one problem for him is that that he is wrong.
While at best he is mildly amusing he lacks no facts in his arguments of what the situation is in RYR as a line pilot compared to most union recognised, respected professional pilots flying for other comparable UK or European airlines. If you take most union recognised companies especially under the BALPA umbrella you will also find that compared to RYR the T+C's are far more superior with an open and transparent communication structure between management and their pilots Easyjet being of a good example. RYR management communication with its pilot workforce is none existent and mainly dictatorial.
While nobody doubts RYR on its safety practice's it's safety culture is something to be frowned upon. In my opinion it is closed, non transparent and punitive in its nature. From things such as fuel decisions, FTL's, operational decision making and use of Commanders Discretion to name just a few. RYR seems to lack any trust whatsoever in its pilots hence the all too prevalent dictatorial rule making type environment that RYR pilots find themselves in. Trust is a very powerful thing and when two parties in such a safety critical profession such as ours lack this trust it can only lead to very negative consequences. Proof is in the CVR CB memo and the 500ft gate memo. Things can still be done and written to try to tackle the subjects at hand but with a little bit more tact with respect to the professionals that fly these aircraft. Also if it is an operational requirement it should be from the Chief pilot or safety/training office and not from MOL's desk.
I think it would be right to say because of the punitive type nature that the company management posses against it pilots it can lead to pilots being less open to report safety related incidents in fear of punitive action taken against themselves. This is questionably dangerous and most independent safety experts would openly criticise this type of environment for its impact on safety. Commander’s decisions should be questioned at times but with respect and with the outcome from investigations to incidents and decisions being to educate and inform. In my opinion, to many times have "Tea and Biscuits" been mentioned with pilots being hauled off to DUB to be stripped of rank, position and most of all Dignity and Respect in a kangaroo court with no proper or established lawful processes. LTC's loosing rank etc due to an operational decision made by the Captain or Aircraft Commander as enshrined under law from time and memorial. These laws were fought for long and hard to preserve safety for many reasons. One reason being to stop companies applying commercial pressure against safety. Pilots were given this as they were felt to be the guardians and trustees of safety in an aircraft and the aviation environment and this is being slowly eroded underneath RYR pilot’s feet. Bird strike training with pilots now signing the aircraft as airworthy after a bird strike is just another of the many ways commercial pressure is having an effect on operational day to day running of RYR.
three squirts a night on Viagra just like when I was 20, but none of that is true either.
It depends what’s in the squirt because it seems you lack the balls and are firing blanks when it comes to standing by your fellow professional colleagues and fight for a better future. What is your reason for this? If you are Brookfield nobody wants to remove your choice to remain on that type of contract. At least you would have a choice and the many forced workers would have the option to be permanent RYR staff or Brookfield workers. That is the objective.
Yeah, right, with all the enduring resonance of a fart in a hurricane.
Depends on the size of the voice doesn't it. Are you saying that RYR pilots do not have this voice? Hence why I am arguing that they should have it and making my point for me or are you saying that RYR pilots do not have intelligentsia to obtain this voice? If there is a will to obtain this voice you can bet RYR pilots are equipped and organised enough to obtain their wishes if so desired.
Oh really? All evidence to the contrary. At your last great outing of purpose, this was the best you could do, despite your investment of millions of other people's money.
Simple answer. Lead by pilots for pilots.
Snowball's chance in hell, more like!
The momentum is growing and will hopefully continue to grow. It will be something that is in RYR pilots hands though by simply filling in a petition and submitting numbers to the CAC and balloting for recognition. It is in your hands and it as simple as that.
https://www.balpa.org/RyanairPetition.aspx
Your timing is impeccable, though, coming at the crest of the first wave of the deepest recession to strike Europe since the first flight of man, but you will fail in this as you always fail here at Ryanair because of your failure to grasp the one central issue. WE DON'T WANT YOU. Sure, there are sad, whinnying creatures that lack the perspective of a previous job to realise how fortunate they are at Ryanair, but they, too, will see the light in due course.
You do not talk for all the RYR pilots Leo. They will have a voice if they want to obtain this for themselves. If they do not want it they do not have to do anything. If they do then they go as previously said and fill in the petition and vote in a secret ballot run by the electoral reforms society and vote for recognition. How hard can that be for a RYR pilot to do?
Also we might be in a recession but as RYR has already proved with the predicted 80 million euro profit this year the company is in no dire straights. With 2 billion in the bank RYR is in no dire straights. With the lowest costs in Europe, customers will continue to fly with RYR so once again the company is in no dire straights.
RYR have had 10 years of continuous growth with a predicted 67 million PAX to be carried this year. In all of this time of aggressive growth pilots have not received any pay rises with pilots loosing out to inflation and RPI year on year with all the good years and the same excuses about possible job losses were used then as now. Easyjet pilots now being considerably more remunerated than RYR pilots are with respect from their management for their professionalism. It is simply a scare mongering tactic from people such as you to say that if a pilot body obtains recognition that all is likely to fail and will lead to job cuts. The evidence is far from this and is quite to the contrary as the latest deal in Thompson with its pilots and management. An open cooperative approach between management and pilots with fair open dealing is all pilots are looking for and can help maintain jobs in the long run. If jobs are lost in RYR because of recognition it is because of political spite from the management and further evidence to their lack of respect and professionalism towards its pilots. Will there ever be a good time for recognition for you? Simply put no because you don’t see the arguments and what the benefits are for the company in a partnership with pilots. As said previously compare any BALPA umbrella equivalent company against RYR and you will find very quickly that pilots are much worse off in RYR in all terms than someone such as Easy or Thompson etc
It isn’t perfect, and sure it could be better, but measured against the certain downfall and inevitable squalor that comes from unionisation, and all those empty promises, I’ll take Mullingar Mike every time.
I really don’t see where you are coming from here. Can you name an airline that has failed because of fair industry standard T+C’s being paid to pilots? Also can you name the price on showing a companies group of pilots a bit of Dignity and Respect? As far as I am concerned there is no price on Dignity and Respect Leo. No airline has gone bust because of showing their pilots industry standard T+C’s as far as I am aware. It is the financing, business model or fuel that costs companies the most money and mistakes in these arrangements is what leads to company going bankrupt. If you think showing RYR pilots fair T+C’s and Dignity and Respect will bankrupt RYR then you are seriously mistaken and I think shows you Leo to be one of the few misguided minority of pilots in RYR.
Sorry for the long post but I think the simplistic way some of us comment on RYR need to be looked at and analysed in great detail. The arguments should stand for themselves when looked at and viewed through the magnifying glass on the actual facts of working life in RYR not bs from select individuals.
The time is now to act simply by filling in the petition.
https://www.balpa.org/RyanairPetition.aspx