If you don’t have any other arguments against AABO than posting incorrect facts then you better be quiet - maybe you collect first some correct infomation before making any posts here.
Repeating (intenional?) wrong facts doesn’t make them more correct – it’s just an attack on your own intelligence.
Here some facts to get some posts straight:
1. Compensation:
Atlas Captain 8 yr: USD 162,31/hr x 62 hrs (guarantee) = USD 10.063,22
Overtime after 62 hrs per month
AABO Captain 8 yr: GBP 7.336,41 x 1,3971 (GBP-USD) = USD 10.249,69
Hours are limited by FARs only
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. Comparison Working days – efficiency (both work 17 days/month)
Atlas US:
- day 1: commercial/deadhead US-Europe, rest in hotel
- day 2: start of actual operating duty
--->
- day 16: operating duty ends in Europe
- day 17: commercial/deadhead Europe-US
AABO:
- day 1: positioning from STN, actual operating duty starts
--->
- day 17: operating duty ends, followed by positioning back to STN
Result for a 17 day pattern:
Atlas US per month:
- 15 days effective duty
- 2 more hotel nights
- 1-2 commercial long-haul Business Class flights (deadhead considered)
- 2 US continental flights to/from homebase airport
AABO per month:
- 17 days effective duty
- 2 Ryanair flights to/from STN
Result for a 12 days ON – 13 days OFF – 5 days (followed by more days in the next month) pattern:
Atlas US:
- 14 days effective duty
- 3 more hotel nights
- 2-3 commercial long-haul Business Class flights (deadhead considered) US-Europe-US
- 3 US continental flights to/from homebase airport
AABO:
- 17 days effective duty
- 3 Ryanair trips to/from STN
Costs:
- Atlas US Captain per day: USD 10.063,22 : 17 = USD 591,95
- AABO Captain per day: USD 10.249,69 : 17 = USD 602,92
- Per diem/day: USD 56,40
- Hotel/night: USD 100,-
- Long-haul Business Class Flight: USD 2.500,- one way (estimated)
- US continental flight within US: USD 300,- one way (estimated)
- Ryanair flight within Europe: USD 200,- (average as per max SPP allowance list)
Monthly costs for an Atlas US Captain on a 17 day trip:
- Compensation: USD 10.063,22
- 2 travel days: 2 x USD 591,95 = USD 1.183,90
- 2 travel days per diem: 2 x USD 56,40 = USD 112,80
- 2 hotel nights: 2 x USD 100,- = USD 200,-
- 1 long-haul Business Class flight: USD 2.500,-
- 2 continental US flights: 2 x USD 300,- = USD 600,-
Total = USD 14.656,92 (only one long-haul Business Class
flight considered !)
Monthly costs for an AABO Captain on a 17 day trip:
- Compensation: USD 10.249,69
- 2 Ryanair flights: 2 x USD 200,- = USD 400,-
Total = USD 10.649,69
DIFFERENCE: USD 4.010,23 per month to the advantage of AABO x 45
= USD 180.000,-/month = USD 2.200.000,-/year
Please do your own calculation for the different pattern length – it will be an even higher number.
Result:
- 3 AABO Captains have the same costs as 2 Atlas US Captains.
- 3 AABO Captains can fly + 300 hrs per month for the same costs as 2 Atlas US Captains, who can fly only 124 hrs for these costs.
- AABO paid quite a lot of your profit sharing bonus.
- If Atlas US crewmembers can do the same hours and days for the same price then you should and management may talk about AABO.
3. Comparison Vacation days
- Atlas US: 14 days/year, NO pro-ration of days off
- AABO: 28 days/year, WITH pro-ration of days off
= Same number of vacation and working days per year
4.
Other details:
Atlas US crewmembers work 17 days per month since February 2006.
AABO crewmembers
- worked 18 days per month until 2009 for the same salary,
- no premium pay for the first 3 overtime days until 2009,
- reduced annual longetivity pay for the last 3 years
STN office is doing administration for
- all STN based crewmembers (Atlas & AABO) and
- all European based Atlas and Polar ground staff.
5. Some finals:
Question 1:
Where are your comments about GSS and your demand that GSS must go?
- They operate 3 x 400’s, soon 3 more -8's, all owned by Atlas, operated by European pilots.
- This would/could be 60 less furloughs at Atlas.
- And they even operate into the US!
Question 2:
Why don’t you complain that there are no furloughs/downgrades at Polar, as there are several junior to AABO and should/will be merged with Atlas (soon)?
- We (Atlas & AABO) operate several of the DHL (= Polar) flights.
Question 3:
No other solution/discussion regarding the furloughs than bashing on AABO ?
- What’s about a proposal from the Union or anybody else for a solution to minimize the furloughs or one which would not require them at all, such as everybody works 80%?
Comment about Titan:
- Maybe not a bad idea to move all AABO crewmember to Titan and hire more international crewmembers there to operate a bunch of the -400s and even the 747-8’s under a different/new certificate.
- Would then be much easier to be accepted by and operate several aircraft for some European and other operators, who can’t/don’t want to make business with an US company to fly their freight – see GSS.
- And as the above figures show it will result in a higher profit for AAWH as less crewmembers are required to do the same.
- Thank’s for the idea, we will go for it and will propose it at the proper places – maybe you consider to get your JAR licence soon.
