In my opinion the 'old bullets' I've had the pleasure of flying with from that era display none of those bad qualities you describe LJT. Infact the wealth of experience they bring into the cockpit from their days of flying 707's/DC3/ Shackletons etc cannot be bought and I fear as these old timers retire and pass on it would be like closing a library. Therefore I think we should learn as much as possible from these guys before they're all gone. Don't know why you harbour so much animosity towards them LJT, but in my experience they don't tolerate fools and young upstarts. So try seeing them in a different light and showing some respect for what they've achieved and who they are and perhaps they'll start treating you in a different way...