Mr Grumpy,read the post above and it's definitions.You may think that my comments betray me,but you don't know my background and I'm certainly capable of using my own intelligence to provide an ATS.I've worked in similar environments to that you describe and I stand by my previous post.There's no point quoting the ICAO FIS when we both know that the UK has always done it's own thing,with different service definitions.We are where we are because the CAA and the military allowed the lines to be blurred,not enough standardization between providers and a lack of understanding by foreign pilots.