i agree with roobarb.The management have been taking the p#8s for to long.Down here in the engineering world of BA,are salarys have just been blown out of the water by all of the american nationals.AA have just been given a massive rise to there engineers putting them on around 50k a year,as have Delta,Northwest,and soon United.Puts our crap of 33k a year in the shade.What will we we get?,more than likely 1.2% over 2 years,and a hard luck story.All of these carriers are affected by the same market forces as BA,so there`s no excuses!.If your reading this waterworld personnel,it`s time to get your`e fingers out of your asses,and start paying pilots and engineers the market rate!!!!!!