I had to laugh at Tims suggestion of printing this thread off and aproaching T.V.O.C. and demanding the questions be answerd. i showed this thread to my father today who was astonished to read it, i wont repeat what he said but put it this way it wasnt complimentary.
SM is right about there being change within T.V.O.C. and i have seen it as well, though to a lesser extent than he has, both of us at one point were persona non gratis due to our critisim at times and i can assure you that if SM says something you cant ake it as gospal, i would be very carefull about calling him a lier or implying he is a lier lol, the last one to do that seriously regretted it.
