I agree entirely Bye - it's absolute folly to write-off HLF either by claiming to have asked for more money but having failed to do so or (if Pleming is telling the truth and has repeatedly asked) by simply taking no for an answer. It's the only way that money could be found easily and it's the only source where TVOC have a legitimate claim to more money, simply because the money they've already been given will be wasted if they don't get some more. A child could see the logic of this point. Rather than waste their time doing heaven-knows what, they should be pressurising HLF (or pressurising MP's to pressurise HLF for them), to make an exception, change their rules, or do whatever it takes to use some of our money to prevent the money we've already spent, being wasted. There can not be a definitive "no" from the HLF - it's our money and if they claim their rules prohibit giving TVOC more cash then TVOC should be demanding that the rules are changed. We have a perfect right to see our money spent however we like and TVOC have a golden opportunity to portray HLF as a bunch of money-wasting fools, but will they take the opportunity? Nah, somehow I doubt it. They'll stick to monthly press releases asking for more donations.