You guys amaze me sometimes. Would you rather accept what appears to be a poor deal for the pilots yes still have jobs in years to come or would you push for the deal you see as correct in your eyes and all be on the dole queue sooner than you thought? I know which option I would go for......have a word with an ex Excel pilot who is now probably in some far flung country (if he can get another job) trying to earn a crust. Whatever deal for contract pilots comes out (and it might not) it's got to be better than signing on. Alternatively, get a stronger CC!