"These last both.." implies that the last 2 countries use AV-8s. Three things can't both do anything. PS the Rafale and SE are fine aeroplanes, it's just a pity the screws keep falling off the Charles de Gaulle! And the French firm Thales is bidding to build the new UK carriers - they want to build 'em in 5 sections, distributed about various UK yards, then assemble them. Does anyone know if they built the CDG?