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Old 30th January 2009 | 10:26
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Carnage Matey!
 
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Oooh this is going to be fun!
I have read on here with interest past disputes between my pilot colleagues,examples being 'OpenLies'!!(what a joke thats turned out to be),BALPA walked all over.
At least BALPA ended up taking BA to the High Court and securing a stronger commitment to a UK scope clause, which is in my view somewhat better than BASSA achieved when the TGWU capitulated with nothing but self funded pay rises to show for it. If BASSA had paid more attention to scope you'd not be facing the Single Fleet/Project Columbus threat now.

Pensions was another,enduring 15 minute lectures by flight crew on crew transport saying how we all had to stick together to fight BA,again BALPA floundered.
Que? BALPA kept the retirement age increase for all flying staff to 5 years rather than the 10 years the ground staff wanted, and secured a ring fenced sum of around £20M solely for all flying staff. This, incidentally, was finalised at the meeting BASSA didn't feel like attending because they were in a huff with BA (see above). BASSA then tried to claim a stitch up had been done and the flight crew had stolen all the cabin crew pension money. Of course we've yet to see any proof of this from BASSA. In a similar vein I note with interest BASSAs claim to have secured ZL fares for staff travel all on it's own, specifically stating BALPA had no input into this. This was certainly news to the BALPA rep who has the minutes of meetings dating back to 2005 since when he's stated ZM fares were a high risk for us and we could not use the favourable dollar exchange rate to mitigate the risk. Isn't it strange how BASSA seems to think this was all achieved in a single meeting of the BATUC through their own efforts without anybody else contributing?



I have just become fed up of a certain few taking,what seems a certain delight,any time there is a chance we BA cabin crew are going to take a thump from BA management.
Perhaps it's more the case that people like to see your Scargillite union taking a thumping as punishment for their petty mindedness?

My prediction for Friday the 6th (think they should have kept this announcment to Feb 13th,a Friday!!).I can only predict a IFS department none of us could ever have seen coming!!.
Your union sould have seen it coming a long time ago. Thats what you pay them for, not for organising hot towel strikes.

posts taking a big hit.CSD's manage purser's,purser's manage main crew on board so why have more managers?.
Why have 4 managers for 11 main crew on a jumbo? Especially as we make such a big deal of our crews greater experience.

My grade of CSD will be hit,possible taking on office work,a fixed working role on the aircraft(I work all cabins now anyway so no probs with that,a shock for the lazy ones!!) and the end of CSD on Eurofleet.
Precisely. Why are we paying megabucks for some CSDs to be allowed to sit on their backsides in their office. No free rides anymore.

The leaked document FOC(Fighting Our Costs),re named ******* OUR CREW!!,is looking to offer an annual salary which equates to the UK national minimum wage,with an hourly rate whilst on duty of less than £2.30p !!.(£55.00) for a 24 hour duty)!!.Think about living in the South East on that money!.
Perhaps I saw a different document which said they were willing to pay a premium to get better crew. You can't pay a premium if it's minimum wage. You can live in the South East of England on that money and many do, you just can't live a champane lifestyle in London or Richmond or Windsor.

We hedged our fuel with Lehman Bros.They went bust the hedging was cancelled and we re-hedged at a far lower price saving millions.
We had no significant hedging with Lehmans (unlike Lufthansa) and a sizeable proportion of next years fuel is hedged at an average oil cost of $95 per barrel. We are losing money on fuel hedging now, plus the loss of revenue from Lehmans flying with us isn't helping.

We at BA have a cash reserve of approximately £1.8 billion.
£1.4 billion actually and once it heads south of £1 billion bad things start to happen.

Over the last ten years we have made enough profit year on year that if we lost £150 for the next 3 years we would still be in profit!!.This takes into account the new B777's.
If only it were that simple. Would the investors stand for those sorts of losses? What would our share price fall to? Who would take over us when the company is so cheap to buy?

Of course,there is always the £550 millon lost in fines for gross managemet misconduct at the highest levels of BA
Yep, unacceptable but whats done is done and we can't get that money back. We have to live in the present, not the past.

Yes we have to make savings and there are many at the top have to lead by example and not the big stick.
Sadly it would appear the only thing BASSA understand is a good drubbing.
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