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Old 30th Jan 2009, 01:13
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mjbow2
 
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Do you really think that a mid air collision cannot happen in our own class G airspace surrounding regional airports?

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The RADAR C directive was not consistent with ICAO insofar as ICAO do not require RADAR in C
So what? neither does class A. Australia like many countries have differences to ICAO.

The RADAR C directive was not driven by any identified safety data, or agency study supporting such a requirement
None was required. Non radar class C was not part of the approved NAS design. Yet Neocon type resistance to NAS allowed AsA to implement the most laughable design imaginable. Non radar Class C over places like Alice Springs.

Can you tell me what black magic a controller is supposed to use for separation or traffic info for a VFR aircraft flying VFR On Top over a place like YMLT or YBAS? No DME and no VOR?

The ridiculous thing about it is that the same RADAR requirement was not put on E terminals where the reality is that surveillance is more important given the VFR component is not talking to ATC or other pilots like they are in D or C …. Now that IS hypocrisy
It seem then that you support turning the radar covered class G at places like Ballina into class E, the radar covered class G in Launceston into class E and Canberra into class E at night?

.... and your views on Benalla ... you want ATC's to protect you OCTA …. Who is attempting to exploit who???
You know full well that the NAS design included upgrading radar covered areas like Benalla from OCTA to CLASS E.

Perhaps you might enlighten us with just one location in the US where ICAO E rules are used above a D tower .. not multi-overlayed classifications that amount to a hybrid surveillance based D … no …. just one example of proper ICAO E ... and without RADAR
ICAO has very little to do with anything in this debate. We do not have to use strict ICAO guidelines. The US has plenty of non radar class E airspace above class D towers. Here are just a few that you might want to check out.

Gillett Wyoming
Jackson Hole Wyoming
Juneau Alaska
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