Pace and others, I did say the ability to fly the aircraft safely on instruments etc and I also said that without further training I, and no doubt most who have not done an IR course, could not cope with some or many of the IFR procedures. One of the things instrument flying teaches you (well in my case it did) is to recognise your capabilities and plan to avoid those things for which you are not trained nor have the equipment to deal with. The IR is beyond me and my flying does not require it. I recognise full well the skills the IR pilot has that we mere IMCR pilots do not. Selective reading of a post does not change the point I was trying to make. Do an IMCR and learn how to fly on instruments but also learn from the IMCR how to recognise trouble looming and stay clear.