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Old 16th Dec 2008, 11:01
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ElPerro
 
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ASP is a complete Pineapple. Someone asked a question of the WGCDR giving the brief recently and he admitted that most people in the room would have no motivation to sign onto the new scheme.

Here is why:

As a FLTLT they rip you from Pay group 10 to pay group 6. That means that with the stroke of a pen you could be signing away around $100,000 from your superannuation.

Secondly he admitted that the new remuneration scheme will SAVE the government $9 million a year. The scheme to retain aircrew involves paying them less over the term of the career.

Thirdly, he stated that the benefit of the project would be realised in 10-20 years. i.e. The benefit comes about with new people forced onto the scheme.

Given that you sign away around $100k from your super and lose around $4,500 a year from your super on the lower paygroup (employer benefit) the only people who would agree to sign up (and agree to never go to Pay Group 10 until GList) would be the retarded.

Absolute pineapple and a waste of time.

The "Specialist Aircrew Scheme" is a complete "smoke and mirrors" job. It means a max of 20% of the guys at the SQN can be involved. So lets assume the scheme is offered next year. The RAAF gives 20% of the guys the jobs. End result? If they don't resign (that's the goal of the scheme) then no-one else can join it until they reach compulsory retirement age! Excellent, no spec aircrew jobs will free up for the next 20-30 years time.

If it wasn't for the fact these geniuses have worked out how to "retain" pilots and save the government $9 million a year I would say the project itself cost Defence more than it will benefit defence.


Most intelligent people realised this would happen. The criminal act by the project team was to hold "workshops" where they say "everything is on the table". The end result: We'll raid your super to try convince you we are paying you more". Remember, Defence NEVER makes you sign for a pay rise. They make you sign when they will make you worse off due to an Industrial Relations requirement. You sign - you lose. They'll try lure you over with this new component that is variable year to year. Offer a $10,000 increase next year to sign on - it disappears the year after.

To quote one of my full-time mates after the brief:

"Eject, Eject, Eject"

P.S. I heard around the traps one of the guys (from memory ALG?) told his CO he was considering his options outside and they removed him from an upgrade. Best to keep your cards close to your chest. Not sure the effect on reservist pay? Anyone.

Originally Posted by Marguerita
Rumour is also that the WGCDR currently working on the sustainability project is throwing her hands up as there is nowhere to go with it. Any promises made are now no longer valid.
It would appear your rumour is spot on the money!!! Total failure of expectation management. Airline Load factors increase 7% over the past twelve months (on radio today) - interesting to see what happens in late 2009 with airline recruitment.

Last edited by ElPerro; 16th Dec 2008 at 11:23.
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