411A it would appear that you change your views depending on which post you reply to.
Don't you and old fella get in a snit, old boy, just a little humour...
Actually, our F/E does quite a lot prior to engine start...trimsheet, bug card, keeps an eye on fueling, exterior inspection, etc....so 'dozing for dollars' enroute is OK with me.
Fat-fingured Fred over KMEM was a complete waste of time, however...
