Tim - I was not suggesting or implying a physical difference between gays and others - I was suggesting that it is in the mind. If there is no difference, why do gays have perfectly reasonable and justified laws in place to protect t?em from verbal abuse and discrimination of any kind. No ofence is committed if I am called a 4 eyed Hetero SFAIK. If you really think we are all the same we shall have to agree to differ!