Re the C-141 accident - actuallytwo C-141's were lost within minutes or a few hours of each other, the second in Sonderstrom. Both 'accidents' had very similiar wing separations. Both aircraft parked side-by-side on the ramp at McGuire AFB before departures. One accident investigator I spoke with swears these were not mechanicl failures. Re AA 587, I don't think I've ever heard the NTSB make any comments within the first 24 hours of an accident ruling anything out. Why this time?