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Old 17th Nov 2008, 22:58
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Scurvy.D.Dog
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You don’t seem to understand
… no, it is you who does not understand, although I think you do unless of course you have a comprehension problem as this has been explained sooooo many times.
For example, look at the Benalla accident.
OCTA = no ATC separation or terrain clearance service
When details were posted on how the radar was not used to advise the pilot that he was at least 1,000 feet below the legal lowest safe altitude, posters came on this site basically blaming the pilot.
NO, YOU tried unsuccessfully to blame ATC and surveillance!
That is, if pilots operated perfectly and did not make errors, there would be no need for the radar service to be improved at places like Benalla, Launceston and Proserpine.
Benalla = OCTA
Launy = CTA
(ATC service including level assignments that include terrain protection)
Proserpine = OCTA

See the difference dunce!!!
The problem is that pilots are human, and devices such as the Enhanced Ground Proximity Warning System can be unreliable.
cite credible proof of this assertion regarding EGPWS!!
The only reason the USA and other leading aviation countries have airlines flying in controlled airspace when under radar coverage is because past accidents have shown that this is a way of improving safety.
.. Launy is controlled airspace!!!
You only have to look at the Flight Safety International paper on CFIT accidents to see that radar and air traffic control are given the greatest number of points as safety mitigators.
again, what do you think the TWR/APP service is in Launy?? … are you being deliberately obtuse??
Are we to wait for a controlled flight into terrain accident similar to the one that nearly happened at Canberra (see here) before we actually use the radar that we have already paid for?
Ah ha ….. Canberra at the time was what service?? ….. and why was that the case!?!?
I agree that using the radar for traffic advice has some advantages over not using it at all,
It is used for far more than provision of Traffic Information … AND YOU KNOW IT!
however why not use it as it is designed? That is, with proper radar rated controllers that can not only provide a traffic separation service, but in some cases prevent a CFIT. You only have to look at what has happened in Cairns – where CFIT accidents have been prevented by air traffic control a number of times.
.. and how many potential CFIT accidents have been prevented in D/C TWR/APP environs (with or without surveillance) …… ****loads, but they are not reported because pilots are assigned a safe altitude and/or procedure, which supplants any wrong planning or intentions on their part! ….. that’s part of the reason we have Regional D/C TWR/APP and why it is not comparable with OCTA at Benalla or Proserpine ....!!
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Now read the above over and over until you get the concept that Launy (CTA/R) is not comparable to Benalla or Proserpine which are OCTA (irrespective of Surveillance availability or not)!
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