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Old 11th November 2008 | 20:30
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Radarspod
 
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Dances with Boffins - "I will be voting yes."

Thank god for that - when the vote comes in 99.8% to 0.2% against the deal, at least people won't just be pointing at me as THE yes voter

Well rounded and fair arguments, couldn't have put it better myself - believe me I tried!

Here's a thought. I read talk of "don't take the first offer" & "get what they are willing to pay" - very old-school union ways of thinking, unions vs management - the kinds of attitudes that resulted in negotiation loggerheads, long term industrial disputes and were generally bad for both sides. What if that by actually working together, the unions and the management have actually come up with what is best, that by working together rather than throwing deal suggestions and counter-claims and general abuse over the fence, they actually sat around the table and negotiated this one properly and did come up with a joint position that was mutually agreeable? Once it was sorted they made a joint presentation on what was agreed on our behalf, the NTUS BEC reps who agreed the deal being the ones WE elected (or were too apathetic to vote against) - Why in today's world is that so hard to believe? The many cynical among you will say I am being naive, I say move with the times - donkey jackets and braziers went out in the 80s.

I cannot believe now that anyone who was thinking in the future about wanting to step up to being on the Prospect or PCS BECs to represent his or her colleagues would even dare now due to the misdirected and appalling spite I have read on this forum against people who as far as I am concerned tried to act in what they believe to be the best interest of the members they were elected to represent.

I'm still waiting for a Vote No advocate to tell me what the "real" figures are if there is any EVIDENCE that both the management and the NTUS have lied and presented facts and figures that are untrue. I'm still waiting - I asked on this thread some 2 weeks ago. Please step up, show me the numbers and show me I am wrong (I have no problem with that ). As far as I am concerned I am still not being presented in this forum or others any evidence this is all a scam, only cynicism and suspicion.

Vote YES

RS

(just to clarify, I am not management, nor union hierarchy - just a member of NATS staff with a pension to protect)

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