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Old 9th November 2008 | 08:30
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Flingingwings
 
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It appears to me you think telling them it is against the law to drive fast , especially on wet roads, will do the trick
I said no such thing. I said 'inappropriate' speed for the prevailing conditions. The speed could be legal just not very sensible.

if you havent been trained with a pro you will definitely have practiced skids alone in your youth ...surely
More training with a pro than you'd give me credit for. I've also taught skid control and high speed road driving in a previous occupation. Exposure to experience the feel is one thing. Defensive driving IS ALL ABOUT not getting yourself in the $hit in the first place though. It's not about carrying on blindly and then hoping any skills you possess rescue you I can also say I never needed to experience skids for the thrill in my youth, and despite exposure to skids at high speeds in 9 years of daily high speed driving I never needed that training.

Surely IFR in an approved sim achieves that point? It's cheaper than using an aircraft, safer than using an unapproved single, legal for both student and instructor, and there are no insurance/ litigation issues.

ps and yes i think the rules need breaking every now and then
Being blunt, when it comes to pressing on in poor weather we can see where that rule breaking gets 'the industry' . I'm not advocating that ALL rules (not just aviation) must be followed all the time but there comes a point where a 'line' has to be drawn.

It is evident that you feel pressing on and using your greater abilities to save yourself is acceptable. Experienced pilots are offering their time for free to educate the less experienced, and if that saves only one life then all the time and effort will be worthwhile.

On your own you can do what you like, legal, sensible or otherwise. I and many others don't agree with you (our freedom of choice). I sincerely hope Pprune doesn't ever have a NigelH CFIT thread.

This has gone full circle, much the same as a lenghty previous thread on which you voiced your views on scud running and inadvertant IMC. There are two sides that never see eye to eye. Its those that sit on the fence I fear for most.

Think we're done here.

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