Nigel,
I am not convinced ( having spoken to a handfull of experienced IR pilots ) that popping into cloud with a current IR pilot with say 1000 ft cloud base , is actually dangerous
Practically there is another problem for you. Your IRI will more than likely only fly IMC legally in a certified twin. That's expensive (even more so when you add the type rating!). Any old IR holder is not automatically an IRI. IRI's don't work for £50 p/hr
the mil do it regularly
Not really a fair comparison the mil do lots of things regularly that us civvies don't, they also operate under a different set of rules. They select their pilots pre training, us civvies just insist you can afford to learn.
(and no I've never been in the mil!)
How long is a short period IMC???? How long did the Morecombe bay crash take?
How long does a 180 turn at rate 1 take by comparision?
And again there is a BIG difference between a lone small fluffy friendly cloud when the prevailing viz and weather is good, and the mother of all CB's hidden away in some other more friendly clouds, when the prevailing conditions are not so favourable.
accept prob not a good idea in a r22 but if there was a way of giving people real hands on experience it would be a start.
So you're suggesting that they gain their experience on a certified IFR machine but then look to use them for real when they SFH anything from an R22 upwards?? Not a realistic solution I'm afraid, surely for greatest benefit the pilot should be getting the exposure in the aircraft they'll be using 'in anger'
I knew people would blindly spout rules at me
It's not 'blindly spouting'. This is a public forum. Many of the people discussing this with you are employed pilots, and like it or not they are rules we have to follow. Love the rules or hate them the law is a 'set menu' not a buffet you can pick and choose at. The CAA can be very specific about this at times, so do you suggest I/we publicly advocate breaking the rules concerning the area responsible for the greatest number of incidents and deaths
that is the nature of people , usually the ones who like to wear gold bars on their shirts
Sorry Nigel, but that comment is little more than childish and won't do much to help you win support
But there is no reason why one could not do some actual ifr training in a single safely
Other than the legal issues and the insurance......................
Lets just leave things as they are and wait for the next one i guess .
And we go full circle back to the whole point of this thread, which is experienced pilots trying to help the less experienced fly more safely. Not our fault we have to do that legally. BUT atleast those involved are trying to do something RATHER than simply sitting and waiting for the next one.
Legal issues aside (and far more simplistic) your proposal is not a huge amount different to a possible motoring solution.................
A high cause of accidents is driving at an inappropriate speed for the prevailing conditions (be they fog, mist, snow, ice etc etc).
Our suggestion is teach the drivers to better understand the prevailing conditions,the limitations of both their vehicle and themselves, and then hope that 'they' learn how to not get themselves into the problems in the first place.
Your suggestion is to take them out with an experienced driver in a top end car, race about in fog and ice, and then put them back in their own less able vehicle and let them presume they and they're vehicle will 'perform' when they really need it to
It is a very simplistic analogy but I prefer to drain the swamp of water, before I leap in (hoping it's clear), rather than worry about the water when I'm up to my @rse in crocodiles.
Each to their own I suppose.
FW