Originally Posted by PilotEyes
ATC, ABC, IFR Taxi, Details when ready
and
ABC, Baron, POB 2, Taxis Cambridge RWXX for Launceston Flight Planned Route, Request Traffic and Clearance.
Why not add 'pending clearance' as well?!?!
This is a very frustrating aspect of pprune. Pilots that don't know their stuff, giving 'authoritative' answers to requests for information.
Especially when all the info he needs is in the AIP. The full documents of which are
available for free at
Airservices Australia website
Rule from Jepp ATC AU-802, Air Traffic Clearances and Instructions, 2.1.5
If proposing to fly into a control area from an aerodrome located so close to the entry point that making a full position report before entry is not practicable, a clearance should be requested:
(a) at a convenient time before entering the runway for takeoff at an aerodrome can be readily established before takeoff, or
Which fits taxiing at Cambridge AD.
Jepp Airport Directory (ERSA) HOBART/Cambridge, TAS, YCBG
....Following flight notification, acft must establish radio ctc with Hobart Twr prior to taxiing, and nominate intended rwy...
The call is...
"Hobart Tower, ABC, Baron, IFR, Taxis Cambridge for Launceston, Runway 27, POB 2."
Acft must report ready. Landing/Takeoff clearance is not given. Acft must not become airborne until departure instructions are issued. Direction of turn on departure and circuit direction will be advised by ATC during twr hrs.
You dont report "Received Delta".
ATIS Delta is nominating runways at another aerodrome which you are not departing from, or inbound to. YOU tell THEM which runway you intend to use at Cambridge.
Airport Directory PERTH (Jandakot), WA (Certified) YPJT
Flights planned to enter PH CTR/CTA must obtain SSR code and ATC freq from PER ACD 132.95
Prior to taxi. It is practicable to make a report prior to entering PH CTR/CTA so you get airborne YPJT and report prior to entry PH giving position and..
'... request clearance'
Its all in the (free) book.
In general....
You DONT 'request traffic'.
The bloke/blokette in the tower is a professional ATS officer that knows and is checked on their SOP and AIP requirements. They know darn well what they must tell you when you make the call.
You DONT make 'friendly' calls advising of impending requests.
It is a guarded ATS frequency. You are an IFR flight that put a plan in with an ETD. If you were not going to taxi at or around your notified ETD, you are supposed to tell them. In short, they are EXPECTING the call!
There is only one exception, and one exception only - a requirement to advise impending IFR position reports only (Jepp ATC AU-801, Operations To/From Non-Towered Aerodromes, 1.3).
Not for departures, not for clearances, not for level changes. Just IFR position reports. Period.
Just get on the radio and say what you have to say, then stop.
Read the local procedures.
If you are on pprune, you have FREE ACCESS to the full AIP at
Airservices Australia. The old PPL excuse of 'so expensive to keep documents up to date' no longer washes.
Don't add stuff.
Don't make stuff up.
Don't read back
everything
By all means, challenge my interpretation. But base your challenge on RULES, not what 'feels good.'