Flip, here are Ainsworth's words according to BBC Online. Don't know if that's the same as his FiveLive appearance.
BOB AINSWORTH, ARMED FORCES MINISTER
There were problems with our procedures, our ability to track the threat - to marshal all of the evidence of the threat - and that's something we are absolutely determined to address.
That has been exposed in the coroner's court - some of these issues brought out by our own Board of Inquiry.
We try to learn all of the lessons of every single accident and every single incident which occurs in theatre.
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