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Old 21st October 2008 | 19:06
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Lurking123
 
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My response was to skoda's comment

It could quite easily be done, especially at bases such as Northolt (civil movements in the main anyway in Class A airspace), Brize Norton, Lyneham, Kinloss, Waddington
My response would be:

Manston
Norwich
Exeter
Hawarden
etc etc.

Freddie, answering your particular nuances.

They probably could but they would be using wrong phraseology - disagree. Give them CAPs 493 & 413 and they would cover it in a couple of night's homework. Equally JSP552 doesn't take a millennium to learn.

Not know how to separate Vortex wake aircraft - Give me a break. Already a requirement for IFR; have a look at 552 and you'll find the reference, complete with a nice table.

Not be aware of the idiosyncrasies of separating IFR from VFR and SVFR flights. - Already done at Brize, Lyneham and Northolt. Also carried out wherever CAS(T) is established.

Not be up to speed on AFTN and CFMU flight planning issues, - don't need to be. All this stuff is handled by Ops. Furthermore, the majority of mil ATCAs dual hat between Ops and ATC; they know their stuff

CTOT restrictions - get real.

VFR flight at night (i.e. they cant!) - so what? A new rule to learn.

Use of conditional clearances - already done. Different terminology but basically the same thing.

Reduced separation in the vicinity of an aerodrome - of course, the military know nothing about reduced separation!!

and more - I don't doubt you

How about the other way?

Formations (including splits)
Radar PFLs
Joining procedures (intercepts)
RPAR (you know, a precision radar approach)

My point - let's not try to talk up (or indeed down) a particular element of UK ATS. Let me repeat my last comment

Don't get me wrong there are big differences, at some airfields and in the AC world.
In other words, I don't live in cloud-cuckoo land but I've spent rather a few years (to satisfy your inquisitiveness skoda) on both sides of the house and just don't wholly buy into the "things are completely different" argument.
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