Guppy as usual, your bringing down the thread. I ran the numbers based on a flight planning program I have, based on some research to get the actual peformance numbers ect. While V1/Accelerate stop were roughly 2700 and 5700 respectively.., given the numbers I had...the weight and balance was interesting in that a non stop trip to Vny probably put them slightly over gross based on passengers and typical bags that they had. That's based on max altitude that this airplane can fly at, against the winds going West..even if they had took it up stairs, without a step climp, as high as they could have, they would have landed somewhere with 1200 lbs...and my winds were lighter in the morning...not heavier at night. Go figure. Now go do your homeowork Guppy and stop being so antagonistic.