Easter 2005 I used Camden flying school/club - very relaxed - good - newish 172 - available, in 1 hr 45 went north to the coast over Hornby, then down the coast, down to 500' (unable to go to the bridge/harbour), inbound, around the Warra wotsit? dam then back to Camden, using the Victor 1 route, with an instructor. I reckon the airfield is less busy than Bankstown, so more enjoyable. Enjoy