Biggles, what happens if the pilot is given the instruction to descend before WATLE?
All you and JM are doing is trying to justify that the 1940's procedures designed for FSO's are suitable for ATC's in 2008. They are not!
Re Benalla, no not the last line of defence and having to carry the can- just another line of defence that may result in people not being killed.
You appear to believe that in en- route airspace the controllers responsibility should be limited to aircraft to aircraft collision avoidance and not be involved in CFIT avoidance which is ten times more likely to happen.
How come ATC's in Canada and the US are happy to have this responsibility?
And the Kyeema ran into Mt Dandenong in 1938 killing 18 -if a pilot made an error when IFR in the same vicinity today ATC would not even know if the aircraft was visual or in cloud and would not be able to assign an altitude anyway.
Last edited by Dick Smith; 27th Sep 2008 at 10:42.