The A300 sure as Hell does (!) Incidentally there's a lot of politicking and egos in this thread between the old style Gods on the flightdeck and the lesser mortals. Suffice to say that if I had been on an MD80 that had crossed the runway holding point with no flaps and the take off about to commence I would be banging on the flight deck door demanding the nice man's attention. Alas I am only what you snidely refer to as "self loading freight" so in your pampered little world I daresay I have no right to an opinion. Thanks God people who hold these views are dying out.