"Watching guys fly the VOR 13L brings about endless amusement to the departing traffic lined up on taxiways P or Q."
misd-agin - What do you fly? A 320, or an RJ? Trust me, it's a tad different in a heavy jet. Maybe one day you'll get to find out.
Speaking of amusment, you should see some of the "US carriers" overseas, the far east in particular. Sometimes they just don't have a clue...