Thanks guys. I'm aware of the lack of sponsorship and current employment problems (which was always a dodgy issue without sponsorship anyway). My main question is whether the number of students has drastically increased? Ten years ago I was aware of Cabair, Oxford, BAe at Prestwick and a few other integrated schools. This CTC thing seems new. What basically seems to have happened is self-sponsorship seems to have become generally accepted as the way in and I'm wondering if there are a lot more graduates these days (and therefore relatively fewer jobs to go round)