when I wrote stab meant H. stabilizer--Not stabilator sorry--
i.e Up trim tab ---down elevator--- up
{tale}
--- down nose
a PA-28-181 has a Stabilator --as does a few others..of that genre
Every CFI should demonstrate an '
Elavator trim stall' and with some willing students-- a stall a full aft CoG---you wouldn't dare trim nose up afterwards
--the stall is easy and vicious--trust me been there done it---
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