The cause of this crash is a mystery and unless someone is cliaming that aliens are responsible then it may only then be reasonable to request they go elsewhere. But when people simply suggest a possiblity based on a previously unexplored scenerio are shouted down --well one must question who it serves by doing so? I think it would be a very sad developement if Chugalug2, nigegilb or Walter leave this thread for a more obscure one. The debat is all the more healthier for their contributions. If there was an STF involved then such probing may inadvertantly force the injustice to be rectified now, least the MoD case be further unraveled. If the STF contributed to the crash then the MoD have an out now and would be wise to take it.