Some really bad examples of CRM here. To the ATC guys, do you think it’s fair to come on this website and put pressure on the pilots to maintain 160 to 4D. No. We (at EZY) are doing EXACTLY what our company tell us. This thread was started to say what happens if you deviate slightly from SOP. If you deviate and are not stable resulting in a few G/A's you have not got a leg to stand on. We are all quite keen to stay in employment!
This is not the place to sort out procedure, you may be putting pressure on guys. If it’s a problem (clearly it is) please please please go through the official channels and speak to the company(s). This way the company can turn round and say our aircraft will be flown like this.....!
This gives you lots of notice. Telling us that when you issue an instruction it’s too late for us to turn round and tell you that we cannot follow it isn’t helping. These instructions vary every day. 160 to 4d. min clean now. 180 to 6D (same thing) etc, glideslope U/S can you continue visually..... Do we have to phone ahead at push back to see what we are going to get!!?!?!?
Little threats of “well if you don't comply we can always break you off and bring you round for another go” are not professional and a little smiley face after doesn’t make it ok. You know that we don't carry sh*t loads of fuel and we don't need this.
We are doing as we are told. End of! The company dictate these rules for safety but also for financial reasons (to my understanding). We get reduced insurance if we can show that a high percentage of approaches are stable at 1000 feet. Apparently it’s a significant saving.
The company dictate the rules for good reason. We stick to them for good reason (mortgage, wife, kids!!). We are not doing it to be difficult. We don't sit there thinking lets slow now it will really fu*k ATC off and the company traffic behind who happens to be a mate!
I am disappointed that guys on here from UK ATC (generally thought of as the best in the world) have posted without thinking how their comments may apply pressure. Think CRM next time please!!!!
Once again please don’t have a go at the FD on here, pass your comments on up the line and we can get it sorted out. Don’t target us, the last thing we need is on approach after already holding for a while due to heavy traffic etc is, right I’m sick of this, this will teach him. “Right 90 degrees hold at XX for 10 mins for re-sequencing ”....””pan pan”
And while I am ranting typical gutter press reporting on last post.
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