Have to admit, I'm a little confused about what all the fuss is about here.. .. .I regularly fly at 2400' under the TMA - albeit on the other side of London (I fly out of White Waltham). I often get a FIS from Farnborough, or at least listen if I don't want a service, but I've never heard them give any traffic information about Heathrow traffic in the TMA, and neither would I expect Heathrow traffic information. The airliners sometimes look particularly close, especially when the 09 runways are in use at LHR, but I've never been concerned by them.. .. .Is this just because I did all my training at Waltham, and I'm just used to airliners being not too far above me? I remember my PPL instructor telling me once, "don't worry about the airliners - as long as they're in their airspace and you're in yours, there's nothing to worry about.". .. .FFF. .---------. . . . <small>[ 28 March 2002, 14:38: Message edited by: FlyingForFun ]</small>