Fine, dont believe me then. Though I will leave it to you to tell the people concerned what you think of their flying ability!! I never said struggled anyway, I said crashed at first attempt. Big difference, and they probably didnt take it too seriously (not like its stage 4 all over again). Half the people I spoke to at Peachy crashed first go - fact. I even watched 3 go down in flames myself! Maybe I just picked a bad sample