I am not passing judgement on anybody. I just find it depressing that some amongst a group such as ourselves should actively seek ways of cheating, because that is what it is, to save a few pounds. I did not claim to be perfect now or in the past.
Would you find the thread acceptable if it was say your 14 year old son/daughter asking the question?
I will bow out now because I've said about all that I want to say and whatever your arguments I will always see it as dishonest.