Sorry Old Beefer - I should have been more specific, and I presume you are referring to DHFS - it doesn't work unless you can get all the guys who were doing the job in uniform to step sideways into the new 'civilian' structure (and in the case of DHFS, have a load of guys still in uniform as well). Thus the SAR engineering success has been patchy depending on how many good guys moved across - here at Chiv we were/are very lucky.