Wiley, that was not PK was it. If it was the same bloke, he came to work one day with the biggest piece of flak that had come thru the flight deck floor, and nealy took out the family jewels. He uses it now to keep the lid on the chaff bin. (He keeps a couple of horses) He flew 38 sorties in a lanc. To keep in the current discussion the same bloke worked like a dog to get the pilots back to work, as he could see what was coming.