380, i do agree. But within our profession it is a humourous topic to read or hear about. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> . .I had a kid visit me to KLAX asking if i was a pilot. I spent 15 min explaining to him that the 4 bars on the shoulder DO play a significant part in figuring that out, and that the people sitting at the front are the ones making things happen. He later agreed. lol...