my point is that A scale argue that we accepted the B scale package when we joined.. well thats fair enough but they are the ones complaining about retiring at 55 when that is the package that they accepted when they joined. You cant ague both points, either stop telling us B scalers that we are wrong to want the same deal as you or stop complaining about having to retire at 55. Going to 65 affects our command timing and if someone joined last year the effect would mean they would have to work to 65 only to earn the same as if they reitred at 55 with the current command time.