Keg-I must have missed all the other references to a 17% payrise. Technically it was only 3% with the performance and retention bonus bumping up the numbers. The company acknowledged that if pilots were leaving in significant numbers because the money and conditions were better elsewhere,then they would have to come up with more money. From what I can see that hasn't happened yet,but it will be interesting if the people recruited for the 787 have to wait much longer, whether they will stick around. After all, once you have flown a 777 all over the world, taking an A320 to Ballina does not hold much appeal. GB