A little known fact about pilot pay. A few years ago a close friend was involved in helping set up a small commuter airline. Using the main spreadsheet, you could increase or decrease the pilot pay number by a factor of 2 (ie: half the pay...or double it), and the overall difference in budget cost for the whole airline changed by about 5%. Our pay has very little effect on the overall budget of the airline. Don't let TT try to suggest that OUR pay is the answer to the problems of the airline. As was said earlier, the airline reaps what it sows. They have been cutting our pay and benefits (in an inflation adjusted, and many of us, real sense) for many, many years, even when times and profits have been great. Don't bother coming after me for any more now. I expect and insist upon the company making up for all they years they have taken from my family and I. Fuel at 150 a barrel....oh well, better start charging more for the tickets. I am not paying for the company's fuel. ATY