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Old 21st May 2008, 19:40
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Rich Lee
 
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BUT. If 60 degrees of bank is a limit, how do we legally teach the 'Max Rate' turn at around 65 to 70 degree bank angle? An exercise which I feel offers scope for advanced handling appreciation to suitably aware student pilots.
The FAA has been using the old Chapter 49 definitions. A 90 degree pitch down (or up or roll), split "S", loop, and barrel roll as helicopter aerobatic guidance in the absence of any flight manual maneuver limitations. A bank greater than 60 degrees would not be considered aerobatic by the FAA. Nor would a quick stop with a pitch-up of 60 degrees.

There has been a tendency by the FAA to use a 'reasonability' criteria. If something is considered a reasonable helicopter operation, like a quick stop or flare in autorotation, or max rate turn about a point; then it is an intentional maneuver required for 'normal' flight that does not require 'abrupt' changes in aircraft attitude.

As an experienced display pilot you know when a something is an 'intentional maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft's attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight' and what isn't. Manuevers like loops, rolls, in-plane veritical 360 degree pedal turns can be performed without abrupt changes in attitudes, but are not necessary for normal flight. A quick stop may be necessary but when performed with a too abrupt change in aircraft attitude it borders on the aerobatic. One can quibble with exact rates and attitudes but we all know when a maneuver is taken to an extreme and when it is considered normal.

Though I do not have knowledge of every pilot action taken by the FAA for aerobatic flight in helicopters, I very much doubt that any pilot would ever be violated, or an aircraft grounded for inspection, because of a max rate turn at up to 90 degrees of bank as long as there was no maneuver limitation or restriction prohibiting the maneuver in the Rotorcraft manual.

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