Squark 8888 What about a 172 with 40* of flap in the correct hands a wonderful a/craft 4up full fuel and still up and down better than most smaller a/c.corse you get a bit of shaking its called bufffet or something.My memory says all U.K. 172s are placarded no side-slips with flaps extended.Must be a good reason. S&R FOUND YOUR STRIP AT THE W/END. SORRY IF MY FUN AWAKENED YOUR SLUMBER!!! BYE 4 NOW